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		<title>Pain</title>
		<link>http://allsaidanddone.com/2009/05/24/pain/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 05:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Matheson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deep hearts hollow and low Cradling within an emptiness a heaviness a gravity, a weight, the bottom echo hollow Giant marbles on a wooden floor banging together not sensible people holding hearts a pendulous echo God listening, just listening. Christina spoke this morning on Job 3 and about pain relating in particular to the apparent [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Deep hearts hollow<br />
and low<br />
Cradling within an emptiness<br />
a heaviness</p>
<p>a gravity,<br />
a weight,<br />
the bottom echo<br />
hollow</p>
<p>Giant marbles on a wooden floor<br />
banging together<br />
not sensible<br />
people holding hearts<br />
a pendulous echo<br />
God listening,<br />
just listening.</p></blockquote>
<p>Christina spoke this morning on <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=job%203&#038;version=31">Job 3</a> and about pain relating in particular to the apparent absence of God. And this is what I wrote. To be honest, not a lot of thought went into it, or feeling, it just kind of wrote itself. Mainly because I was feeling too blah &#8211; I&#8217;m coming down with something (always at the most inconvenient time of the year!)- to bother joining others for a discussion.</p>
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		<title>Pick the meat from the bones (or vice versa)</title>
		<link>http://allsaidanddone.com/2008/07/22/pick-the-meat-from-the-bones-or-vice-versa/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Matheson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Somewhat disassociated with the previous post (kind of, kind of not) was that on Sunday evening we had a guy come speak to the youth/young adults at our church. To be honest, I wasn&#8217;t really very impressed. Yes he said some good stuff, but I don&#8217;t understand and it disturbs me when what someone is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhat disassociated with the previous post (kind of, kind of not) was that on Sunday evening we had a guy come speak to the youth/young adults at our church.</p>
<p>To be honest, I wasn&#8217;t really very impressed. Yes he said <em>some</em> good stuff, but I don&#8217;t understand and it disturbs me when what someone is saying in regards to Christianity starts sounding like a bit of motivational guru. And although I know the intentions are good when you&#8217;re talking about being more expectant of how God can use you, but it&#8217;s such a fraying rope between explaining God&#8217;s role in this and our role, and when our role seems to wear the boots it&#8217;s just plain wrong. Just how highly can you think of yourself? There were also some other small things that made me frown&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes humans are fallible and I as much as any, but when you&#8217;re &#8216;teaching&#8217; there surely must be some kind of extra care when choosing words? God forbid I ever have to be in such an influential role &#8211; it&#8217;d scare the pants off me.</p>
<p>Church at the moment frustrates me. The one I am in is growing and although that&#8217;s very positive, it comes with challenges, both organisational and personal. It was interesting to condense one very big community into a smaller demographic, I think on the whole I deal better with a smaller community. Yet I&#8217;m still trying to evaluate where youth fit in with some of those &#8216;smaller communities&#8217; that I&#8217;d probably jump at otherwise. I still really, really love my youth kids.</p>
<p>One of the topics of the evening was prophesy (we split off into smaller groups). Anyway God gave me a good old, needed kick up the bum with something and encouragement in another area (that is also thought matter). Thanks Ruth and Kerrie!</p>
<p>I had a good old chat with Susannah post-prophecy-stuff about what we thought, what was good, what we didn&#8217;t really get/agree with etc. The whole evening my brain did not stay still, sifting and sorting information into take it or leave it.</p>
<p>Someone once gave me this helpful metaphor of eating fish. None of this battered stuff that comes with chips, but the real deal -meat and bones. Sometimes it&#8217;s like eating fish. There&#8217;s meat there, but you have to pick out the bones leave them to one side. Take the good, ignore the crap. There must come a point though when there just becomes too many bones to bother with eating in the first place&#8230;</p>
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		<title>It pisses me off when&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://allsaidanddone.com/2008/07/21/it-pisses-me-off-when/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Matheson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8230;the speaker/preacher makes a hand motion for the guitarist (or other musical person) to continue playing softly in the background while they pray. If that&#8217;s NOT emotional manipulation or the more gentle explanation of mood managing, then why not keep playing through the announcements! Oh the realisation! You can pray without a backing track AND [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;the speaker/preacher makes a hand motion for the guitarist (or other musical person) to continue playing softly in the background while they pray. If that&#8217;s NOT emotional manipulation or the more gentle explanation of mood managing, then why not keep playing through the announcements! Oh the realisation! You can pray without a backing track AND people can actually connect with God without a mood enhancing soundtrack.</p>
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		<title>Changes</title>
		<link>http://allsaidanddone.com/2008/05/24/changes/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 13:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Matheson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#8217;t mentioned them previously due to either uncertainty or confidentiality but there have been some pretty significant changes going on. In two weeks Geoff finishes up where he&#8217;s worked for the last three years for a new job &#8211; closer to what he originally wanted to do with IT. It&#8217;s been a slow and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t mentioned them previously due to either uncertainty or confidentiality but there have been some pretty significant changes going on.</p>
<p>In two weeks Geoff finishes up where he&#8217;s worked for the last three years for a new job &#8211; closer to what he originally wanted to do with IT. It&#8217;s been a slow and interesting haul working out what was happening and if he/we&#8217;d actually head down that route. </p>
<p>And last night Geoff and I let the youth kids know that we&#8217;d be finishing up at the end of this term. This too has been a long and interesting journey. Because to be utterly honest we don&#8217;t want to be finishing up. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not sure about the whole often held idea that God has a set plan laid out for our lives, but regardless I think this is what we need to be doing, and we&#8217;ve kind of been told. We have no idea what&#8217;s next. In some way it&#8217;s a part of establishing what it means to be a Christian and not to be a part of such an obvious &#8216;ministry&#8217; (Gosh I&#8217;m starting to really hate that word). It&#8217;s a sucky thing to be leaving youth behind, it will be interesting to see what&#8217;s ahead, but for now, I&#8217;d rather be back hanging out with 14 year olds. What lies ahead for the youth at YVV is also in question, please be praying for that, there&#8217;s no smackingly clear direction or person.</p>
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		<title>Church our saviour</title>
		<link>http://allsaidanddone.com/2008/05/18/church-our-saviour/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 11:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Matheson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The busy front must recognise the homework, the housework, the social inevitables, the tedious hunt for a new couch. The heart must recognise the crappy situations going on in Burma and China. The fingers must recognise a lack of touch to keys a small apology and the brain is simply flying around like a ninny [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The busy front must recognise the homework, the housework, the social inevitables, the tedious hunt for a new couch. The heart must recognise the crappy situations going on in Burma and China. The fingers must recognise a lack of touch to keys a small apology and the brain is simply flying around like a ninny making sense of frustrations I should have in someway long gotten over and in others, adhere to for sanity, reality and sensibility&#8217;s sake</p>
<p>I met a girl on the train the other day, she was terribly intentional about starting up a conversation. It was soon established that she came from (and I wont name it) a rather large and what I&#8217;d describe as hypey church in the city. Hypey from experience. We kept talking. I turns out she works there etc. etc. Her conversation (Once she&#8217;d established I was a Christian) was loaded with Christianese and she presented the appearance of quite a settled, &#8216;Everything is great when you have Jesus&#8217; life, except that it was more, &#8216;Everything is great when you have church&#8217;. It disturbed me</p>
<p>One of the reasons I&#8217;ve delayed writing this post is that I have a good old fat tendancy to be rather rude and harsh and I&#8217;m not very good at being tactful. Look I&#8217;m trying assume the best that she had a particular extroverted personality that simply expressed itself in that way. But it did progress some thoughts.</p>
<p>Then last night I had the chance to hear <a href="http://www.erwinmcmanus.com/theauthor">Erwin McManus</a> speak at CityLife &#8211; a huge church (He was great btw). I struggle incredibly in going to large, very polished churches, something feels really out of whack. I&#8217;m not dissing CityLife here, they had some ripper decent theology in their songs. But big and flashy always brings the thought home.</p>
<p>Christianity wasn&#8217;t ever meant to be a show, and I understand that it gels with some, perhaps even fits a particular culture but to me it presents a face that feels really fraudulent and it actually scares the pants off me.</p>
<p>Living authentically is difficult. Talking about Jesus is difficult. I wish for my life if anything, to be brutally honest.</p>
<p>What happens when that doesn&#8217;t happen in our communities? When they themselves become our world. Our work, our friendships, our lives.</p>
<p>I know that God will probably drag me nicely across the floor in terms of being far less judgmental when it comes to alternate expressions, and I know I have much to learn from the courage and the enthusiasm of others but it&#8217;s rather complicated at the moment, because the walls fly up and render me pretty well incapable of even participating when dumped in any situation of the like. I have a terribly jaded, critical beast in me that hates what I see (badly) and hurts for the people I know who have been repelled from this institution we call church.</p>
<p>I want for my life to be tied to His and not simply to a beurocracy, an idea or a specific community. So much good can easily go wrong. We do need community, but it cannot become God.</p>
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		<title>Geoff talks</title>
		<link>http://allsaidanddone.com/2008/04/23/geoff-talks/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Matheson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott has posted up about Geoff&#8217;s preaching gig last Sunday. Here it is. I am still unsure about the cohort we seem to attract on the rare occasion this happens &#8211; it seems we (or he) is a novelty. At least it makes for a fun lunch afterwards. I like Ranges. It puts YVV in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott has posted up about Geoff&#8217;s preaching gig last Sunday.</p>
<p><a href="http://rangescc.org/2008/04/21/587/">Here it is.</a></p>
<p>I am still unsure about the cohort we seem to attract on the rare occasion this happens &#8211; it seems we (or he) is a novelty. At least it makes for a fun lunch afterwards.</p>
<p>I like Ranges. It puts YVV in it&#8217;s proper size bucket &#8211; too big. That saying, I like YVV too. I am still lacking a gauge for how much.</p>
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		<title>Box head</title>
		<link>http://allsaidanddone.com/2008/03/20/box-head/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Matheson</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We could always just hand out card board boxes with little cut outs for a eyes as we enter the church so then no one can make any judgements&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; Hayley from <a href="http://www.gush.com.au">Gush</a></p>
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		<title>Church outside</title>
		<link>http://allsaidanddone.com/2008/03/02/church-outside/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 03:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Matheson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today a percentage of our church participated in Clean Up Australia Day. It was interesting, because last night I confessed to Geoff that I really didn&#8217;t want to be a part of it and then went on to try and justify that I thought it wasn&#8217;t a good idea and &#8216;how was it really helping [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://allsaidanddone.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/thumb_thumb_cua_logo0.jpg" title="thumb_thumb_cua_logo0.jpg"><img src="http://allsaidanddone.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/thumb_thumb_cua_logo0.jpg" alt="cleanup" align="left" /></a>Today a percentage of our church participated in Clean Up Australia Day.</p>
<p>It was interesting, because last night I confessed to Geoff that I really didn&#8217;t want to be a part of it and then went on to try and justify that I thought it wasn&#8217;t a good idea and &#8216;how was it really helping the community&#8217;/'we could do other things better with this time&#8217;. He heard me out &#8211;  knows me far too well, and told me I was wrong. Then about ten minutes later I worked out that it was really only just about me not wanting to do it and felt guilty so I told him and he let me know he knew that&#8217;s what I was all along and rightfully laughed about it. As it was, I did feel bad about not wanting to do it, but I still didn&#8217;t want to take part &#8211; is there really much point forcing yourself to want to when you simply don&#8217;t?</p>
<p>Anyway as it turned out, church today (which was just music and communion before the cleanup during normal sermon time) felt very flat and fake.</p>
<p>And here it is. I enjoyed myself cleaning up. The sun was beautiful, the people were fun and talking and interacting with people they didn&#8217;t know so well and doing something. And really it felt a whole lot more like how church should be.</p>
<p>I do like it when God sticks it to me.</p>
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		<title>Suburban Christian</title>
		<link>http://allsaidanddone.com/2008/02/11/suburban-christian/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Matheson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#8217;t like the CD at first. Far too pop. Now it&#8217;s sneakily grown on me and now and I can&#8217;t get away from it. Brooke Fraser &#8211; Albertine. Let me lump some lyrics at you. If I find in myself desires nothing in this world can satisfy I can only conclude that I was [...]]]></description>
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<p>I didn&#8217;t like the CD at first. Far too pop. Now it&#8217;s sneakily grown on me and now and I can&#8217;t get away from it. <a href="http://www.brookefraser.com/releases/albertine.do">Brooke Fraser &#8211; Albertine</a>. Let me lump some lyrics at you.</p>
<blockquote><p>If I find in myself desires nothing in this world can satisfy<br />
I can only conclude that I was not made for here<br />
If the flesh that I fight is at best only light and momentary<br />
Then of course I&#8217;ll feel nude when to where I&#8217;m destined I&#8217;m compared</p>
<p>Speak to me in the light of the dawn<br />
Mercy comes with the morning<br />
I will sigh and with all creation groan<br />
As I wait for hope to come for me</p>
<p>Am I lost or just less found,<br />
On the straight or on the roundabout of the wrong way?<br />
Is this a soul that stirs in me,<br />
Is it breaking free, wanting to come alive?</p>
<p>`Cause my comfort would prefer for me to be numb<br />
And avoid the impending birth<br />
Of who I was born to become</p>
<p>For we, we are not long here<br />
Our time is but a breath<br />
So we better breathe it<br />
And I, I was made to live<br />
I was made to love<br />
I was made to know you</p>
<p>Hope is coming for me</p></blockquote>
<p>I was having a conversation with a friend recently about her mum&#8217;s thoughts on being a Christian in middle class suburbia and how both natural and difficult it is. (Some of these are my extended thoughts).</p>
<p>The Church and Christian events such as conferences are exceptional at preaching the &#8216;go get out there&#8217;. There is nothing acclaimed what-so-ever about living to your fullest from your house in the suburbs in your everyday job. We uphold these &#8216;Christian&#8217; Heroes as those who have gone long and far and done big things.</p>
<p>I am not saying that there aren&#8217;t individuals that should wind up as overseas missionaries &#8211; because I grew up in a household where that was precisely the case and it&#8217;s something that has deeply influenced who I am now. There is a need for cross cultural mission. And it&#8217;s not as glamorous as it sounds.</p>
<p>Likewise, we shout the praise of working in a church, as a pastor, youth pastor, as someone who runs some enormous ministry. And we jump on the assumption that many church &#8216;attendees&#8217; are just that. Attendees on Sunday. And many of them are.</p>
<p>I would like the encouragement put there for the majority of Christian suburbia. To actually be effective right where they are.</p>
<p>Yes I help lead a youth group. A very strangely small youth group for the size of our church, but it&#8217;s not the role that I love. Geoff tells me that I fluctuate a lot in how much I like leading youth. There is usually several times a year I swear not to be involved any more and hate rocking up on Friday nights. But I love, I love the kids I&#8217;ve gotten to know. I love seeing their growth and maturity. It&#8217;s so much more important.</p>
<p>Oh just be interested in people. Just love Jesus and what he&#8217;s on about.</p>
<p>What more is there to being a Christian? The collective claim positives on fame, but individuals don&#8217;t give a rats at position really.</p>
<p>And position is so far from the point, church is sometimes a scary place.</p>
<p>Take risks at home.</p>
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